October 03, 2004 - Msg 23944: Hello everyone..
Well I wasnt going to post my feelings on Halloween, but I see some of you share my views. Although I have a twist on it.
Halloween is a pagan holiday;therefore, I choose not to celebrate, or allow my children to celebrate, of course they are very small. The Bible tells us to sway from pagan ways, witchcraft, etc..so I do try to follow God's word.
As a child, I never liked Halloween either..maybe the Lord was preparing me for my future knowlege of the holiday. To me,if it doesnt glorify God in any way,then lets not celebrate it.
Like MDC and Romeena, our church has a Fall Festival too. And I must admit..I wasnt even crazy about the idea of that when I first was involved in it, of course, after my first was born. I thought that it was just a cover up for Halloween..but actually it is a safe place for kids to go and have a great time..and still learn about God..we dress as Biblical Characters..or animals as MDC posted. My daughter was a giraffe one year..her friend was too(but he got sick) anyway..they were suppose to be going on Noah's Ark, two by two..really cute..so this year, the baby will be the giraffe. Now i have to come up with a Biblical character for my other daughter..I wanted it to be female..any ideas? one little girl was Martha, with all here cleaning supplies, was too cute.
Oh and like Romeena, we discourage the spooky, etc costumes.
I also dont turn my porch light on or buy candy. And of course, I am the black sheep on my side of the family..everyone else celebrates it..oh well..its my conviction not theirs and I am trying to live every day for the Lord..
My..sorry I went to rambling...
Have a great night everyone!


October 03, 2004 - Msg 23945: MDC .. race is over Jr. won ,who would of thunk it at Talledage .Its amazing that he is the only car out there that an pull out and pass a 4 or 5 car draft with no help ,mighty curios . hope everyone had a good weekend
BIG TOM .. how about Morgan Shepherd back when he was driving the #7 hot rod barn sponsored
car he was one tough dude
mayberry deputy

October 03, 2004 - Msg 23946: Bobby Issacs,Shepard are goodins.Lets throw Red Farmer,Tiny Lund,Friday Hastler and Connie Saylor in there just to shake things up a bit. Better save room for Neil Bonnett and Davey. You ever hear what ever happened to Buck Simmons? That 'ol boy wuz tuff 'round here back in the '60s and '70s. Last I heard he wuz runnin' dirt down in Georgia. Hey Alyce, let me see your fingers. Nope aint mashed your fingers nailin' nails yet.It'll be alright, you'll mash 'em in a day or two. My wife wore black nail polish ta' hide 'em.'Bout bed time,4:45a.m. comes a lot earlier on Monday than any other day...Big Tom

October 03, 2004 - Msg 23947: Alyce, what parta' Va. ya' from? I used ta' hunt up round Emporia and Farnsville back a few years ago. Aint been back since Heugo come through so see it's been a while...Big Tom

October 03, 2004 - Msg 23948: Big Tom: I hear ya on the nails...never said I wouldnt do the work...just said it wasnt very feasable (sp) with our schedules..but oh dont worry, there will be plenty to do once the house is here...hopefully soon! I am in Southampton County VA...Emporia is outside of it. highway 58 runs through both..We're probably 45 min..maybe not even that from Emporia. Bow season started yesterday..so my hubby is all into hunting now..I'll see him bout January..haha!


October 03, 2004 - Msg 23949: Did anyone watch Desparate Housewives?


October 03, 2004 - Msg 23950: So Romeena, what your saying is I better shave my legs if I come trick or treating to your house? :)


October 03, 2004 - Msg 23951: That's right, Asa, and try your best to look three years old! (teehee)

Alyce, I hear what you're saying regarding the pagan holiday, and I can't disagree with you, though I'm perhaps a little more relaxed about it. I really wouldn't want to explore too deeply into the origins of our Easter and Christmas traditions, but my children hunted eggs, and I always decorate the house for Christmas, complete with a huge tree. The origins of those things mean nothing to me, they have just been incorporated into our holiday traditions, and they're fun. I guess, to me, it all hinges on the intent of the individual. When my little kids dressed as Tweety Bird and Sylvester, and schmoozed candy from the neighbors, they weren't celebrating any pagan holiday, they were just having fun. I think it's entirely appropriate for churches to offer alternatives, though, especially in these days when the candy some neighbors might dispense might not be safe. As you said, to each their own convictions, and you certainly have a point. We made it clear to our children that the night had no special significance to us, it was simply a time when they could dress up, the neighbors would be expecting them, and would have a treat for them. Nothing more than that.

I surely am glad Andy and Aunt Bee decided not to sell their house. It would have been hard to get used to them living in a different place.

Everyone have a great week. Sugarplum says hey! --Romeena

October 03, 2004 - Msg 23952: One more thing. I'd like to know what kind of math Barney was using when he figured he'd make over $3,000 off those real estate deals. If the house he wanted Andy to buy was only $3500, then the others must have been pretty close to that, so there probably wasn't but about $15-20,000 changing hands in all. At 5%, how did Barney figure to make over $3k? Hmmmm??? --Romeena

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23953: $3,500 was the difference in the price he could get for Andy's house and what the Williams' house would cost. I think it was $27,500 and $24,000 so that's $51,500. 5% of that would be $2,575 plus the other houses he had figured to sell.

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23954: Good Morning all!
Romeena: thanks for understanding and being pleasant about my convictions..so many people look down upon others convictions. As far as Easter and Christmas.. of course we celebrate them! My daughter knows that the Easter bunny is not real and that Easter is about the crucifixtion and reserection of Christ..I do let her hunt for eggs too. And she does believe in Santa Claus, but also we celebrate Jesus too..have even made a birthday cake for Jesus on Christmas before. I have not been convicted of the Santa thing yet..and until I am, we will continue to "do" Santa. Easter and Christmas are happy holidays filled with love..i never saw Halloween as that.. Ok..enough of my thoughts, beliefs, etc...
Everyone have a terrific day!!

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23955: BIG TOM .. try www.bucksimmons.com according to his web site he won his 1000th race in 2002 and went on to win 13 more that season on the Ga. dirt tracks ,it dosent show anything for 2003 or 2004
Alyce .. everyone has different ideas on celebrating halloween ,your way works for you and your kids and that is what counts ,I personnelly have no problem with trick or treating but everyone has to make their own dicision about it
hello to PIPEMAN ,ROMEENA ,SPOT MDC , ASA ,MRS WILEY , DIXIE and any of the other good folks I may not have mentioned .Everyone have a great day
mayberry deputy

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23956: I read that the trick or treating part of Halloween(which is pretty much all there is to it from my perspective, besides the scary programs they show around that time) was actually started by the Catholic Church to recognize the souls of the Christian dead. Children would go around door-to-door begging for tiny pastries and in return for receiving one, they would promise to say a prayer for each family's loved ones who had died to help them find a way out of purgatory(if they were there I imagine) and into Heaven. Maybe that would be a nice tradition to start up again during Halloween.
That is what I read, but Halloween for me was always just about dressing up and having fun and I never knew nor thought about the pagan beginnings of that holiday, nor did I care to. I have to admit though, I do like spooky movies and programs that come on in abundance during this time. Not slasher films. Can't stand them; never could. I like your traditional monster movies more.
I do see the continuing phasing out of Christian influences in holidays though. And speaking of Easter, just this last one my Wife, my daughter Kai and I went to Madison(which is a known liberal city - I don't know if that has anything to do with this story, I'll let you decide) to go shopping at one of the malls there. Inside, we saw the typical Easter Bunny setup, where kids could go and have their picture taken with the Easter Bunny. But - and I may have been the only one to notice this, I don't know - the whole thing was advertised as "Bunny and Me", with no mention of Easter at all(I read the pamphlet). Now, was it just me, or was that a deliberate omission to appease our increasingly secular society(and the aclu)?
Well, luckily Kai was scared of the big bunny or I would have been forced to be a bad guy and say no to getting her picture taken with "Bunny". If they didn't have the guts to keep the word Easter in there, I wasn't going to give them my money. Was I off-base?
Anyway, I'll get off the soapbox now.
Have a great day everyone!
-Sterling Holobyte

p.s. by the way, I don't know why but everytime I went to write "holiday" I automatically almost wrote "holOday". I guess I'm just too used to writing holobyte. ;)

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23957: Alyce, I agree with mayberry deputy...what works for you is what's best. I applaud you for standing by your convictions. The biggest problem I have with Halloween is when folks "ship in" their kids to several neighborhoods to simply see how much candy they can collect. Some of the kids that come to our door have deeper voices than me, don't even bother with a costume (not even homemade, which is what I wore as a kid), don't bother saying "trick-or-treat" and Lord knows wouldn't even think of saying thank you. I blame the parents. That's why in the last couple of years we've taken the kids to either church sponsored or school sponsored "carnivals." It's much safer.... plus my wife doesn't have to hear me gripe about the constant parade of non-costume wearing-non appreciative-juvenile delinquents to our front door. Other than that, y'all have a great day.

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23958: Afternoon all!
Sterling: I remember when we were little we would go around saying "Trick or treat, smell my feet, give me something good to eat" See, I guess it was fun back then, but even then, I just remember hating it, most parts of it that is..and even the church I grew up in would have the Halloween party...a real one, even with the haunted house..I still cant get over it.
Oh and Sterling..you arent off base either about Easter. I agree with you there. I think Easter is the most important holiday actually.


October 04, 2004 - Msg 23959: G'day all. Hope we didn't "scare" off pipeman
(pun intended) and his Cremshaw party idea!
Just from this brief discussion that I apparently inadvertently started, us older folks can see how much this "holiday" has changed, both commercially and as the real origins/meanings of it come out. A google search brings up some very interesting sites, that is for sure!
As kids in the 50's, early 60's (when the Cremshaw ep was filmed), all was still pretty "innocent", but my goodness, now 2 months beforehand, the stores are chock full of grotesque
stuff etc that is amazing!
I didnt mean to cause this, I just wanted to share my childhood halloween story with him.
As the weather changes, the leaves turn colors and fall, I wish we could just all have a get-together in someone's big backyard and have that
party! I truely would like to meet you all someday!
Have a good mayberry day!
Mr Darlin's Cuz

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23960: MDC: I dont think you started anything. It was me, of course, that put the negative on the holiday. Hope Pipeman didnt get offended either. You are right about the stores..its just gory stuff out there. I dont want my kids to be scared..there is too much scary stuff in the world as it is.
I was just saying the other day how I wished I could do with my children, what my parents could do with us...like leave us in the car to run into the pharmacy for 2 minutes to pick up an Rx...I usually get someone to ride with me or get someone to pick up the meds for me. Its crazy to drag them out for a whole 2 minutes! Anyway..there I go on my soap box now.
Also a great big Brunswick stew would be nice! My husband and brother in law are doing one in a month for our sunday school class..that is good eating.


October 04, 2004 - Msg 23961: BIG TOM ... I did a search on ebay and they have several diecast of Buck Simmons

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23962: You too, Alyce? Our Church/School(they were connected) had a Halloween party too. The only thing I didn't like about it was the weird feeling I would get about being in the school and Church basement at night. It just looked like a different place to a kid than it did in the daytime. They did the haunted house thing too, and while I don't really care for haunted houses(I mean what's so interesting about someone in a costume jumping out at you saying "boo"?!) I got more into these because I helped build them with my brothers, other people from the church, and my older brother's carpenter friend who eventually took over the whole haunted house thing and was soon building elaborate one-level-house-sized haunted houses. It was pretty fun seeing it come together. He did get burned out by trying to top himself every year I think, and he eventually moved away, got married and is a deacon at his church. He's a good guy!
If I may drag this story out even further, one year we were putting on the haunted house I was delegated to be a guy who gets his head chopped off with a guillotine(you can guess who built the actual-sized guillotine), and they wanted more blood on top of my costume but they ran out of fake blood, so someone went into the school kitchen and brought out - you guessed it - ketchup. Well, they doused me with ketchup and needless to say, after smelling old ketchup for 6 hours, I no longer like ketchup. Even now. Just mustard, please. ;)
Sorry for the length of that story. I'm quite long-winded today. I think I may have already told that story here before anyway.
-Sterling Holobyte

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23963: Speaking of good eating.....I mentioned last week we were having our Rotary Club cookout on Saturday night. Well boy did we put on the feed bag. Steamed oysters were incredible, baked taters were perfect, great salad, and the steak filets you could have cut with a fork! That kind of eatin' will make your tongue slap your brain. Hey MD & Big Tom (and all the race fans) they're really startin' to pour on the coverage (advertising/stories) around here for the fall race at Darlington. They hope it's gonna be a sellout because of the "playoff" format. Maybe so.

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23964: Sterling, I think we posted at the same time. The "....speaking of good eating" I was referring to was Alyce's mention of Brunswick stew, not old ketchup. Ha! I know I'm southern and we eat a lot of strange stuff (according to some on the porch) but I've never had a hankerin' for ketchup that's been sittin on a guy's head for 6 hours. Just clarifying.

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23965: Sterling: Funny story you have there! I didnt like those haunted houses. One year they actually used the church. That to me is like using the Lord's name in vain! Once they just used a room in the community house (fellowship hall) and they kept getting me to go inside, I didnt want to..it scared me. I was dressed as a mixed match person, so I had one shoe that was flat heel and the other was a big clunky high heel, well they opened the door and someone on the floor grabbed my ankle trying to pull me in..so I just about broke the hand that was on me with that heel...and in the process I ran out leaving my shoe! Once, a man, who is a great Christian man(whom I go to another church with now) chased me around the church yard with a big dragon or dinosaur costume on..scared me to death! No wonder I hate halloween!
To ge honest it all really started when I was about 3 years old..if anyone's interested in that story, let me know..You know I am long winded too, so I will spare yall this time,unless you approve the story, haha!

Rev Jr: that meal sounded good..all except for the oysters (sorry)! Steak sounded great though.

Spaghetti tonight..garlic texas toast..all out of salad..someone bring it please!


October 04, 2004 - Msg 23966: REV JR. ..sounds like you rotary club guys had a great meal ,like Alyce Im a little leary of the oysters though . It stinks that NASCAR took the labor day race away from Darlington ,hope they do have a sell out for the fall event
mayberry deputy

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23967: Woohoo, Rev Jr. that whole meal sounds great, including the oysters. I love 'em, though I prefer them fried. Sterling, I agree with you completely about the "bunny" thing. If they don't have the courage to include the Easter word, then why even observe the holiday? Same for Christmas. If all they can say is "happy holidays", or "season's greetings", then just forget it. I realize that's an attempt to include Hanukkah for our Jewish friends, and I understand that. However, I'd rather just see an outright "Happy Hanukkah", rather than the insipid, lukewarm "season's greetings." I have Jewish friends, and I have no problem whatsoever in wishing them a happy Hanukkah. It's a holy day for them, and was no doubt observed by our Lord as well, so why shouldn't I wish them well? May I also insert a word of recognition here for the Jewish employees at our hospital, who frequently volunteer to work on Christmas, so that more Christian employees can be off? In addition, many folks from the Jewish community come in and volunteer to do the non-licensed jobs, such as linen service and housekeeping, in order to free as many of those employees as possible. Sadly, I don't see myself or any other Christians returning the favor on their holy days. Makes you think.

Well, gotta get ready to go to work. Have a great evening, everyone. Sugarplum says hey! --Romeena

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23968: Yee Haw! I'm back on the porch! Don't know exactly how I got here- my nephew fixed my computer and put in all these newfangled things- I am overwhelmed! He's "ept" for sure! Gonna take me awhile to figure things out-he's got me on Mozilla as my browser.Never used it before-gotta find Internet Explorer.Shoot-I've gotta figure out HOW I got online! Ha Ha Gonna have to catch up with everyone-sure missed ya! Anyway,possum's back! Thanks for saving my rocker-love y'all!
possum under a rock

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23969: Welcome back possum.
My lots of good eatin on the porch tonight, but dont worry, no possum stew! teehee.
MD - Kansas speedway coming up!
Where's asa been lately?
It's a good evenin for rockin....

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23970: I'm only going to say this once...just so's you'll know where I stand:


-- Jelsik T. Bulkhead

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23971: Kinda gettin' a little nippy on the porch in the evenins' aint it? Alyce; I liked the way ya' pulled up your pants and stood your ground. It shows your strong conviction for your beliefs and your family; atta girl. Hope your hubby gets a big 'en and makes us a little jerky ta' chew on. Oh, Pipeman don't worry, I'm goinna' make popcorn balls outta them molasses we stired off last week. I also appreciate hearin' 'ol Buck is still pitchin' 'em sideways in Ga. I'de like ta' see him again, its been a while. I'm goinna' go in and hunt me a jacket and fix a pot-o-coffee... anybody want some? Big Tom

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23972: haha Jelsik you kill me...
The blackhearted buzzard's better half.

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23973: Hey Rev Jr. I have a hit an' miss with them oysters. Some times mine are a little chewy others they are great. What gives? Care to share a secret on how you cook yours or do you have the same problem as me? Ya, I'de like ta' see Darlington get that Labor Day race back too. We used ta' make that trip every year and make it a beach trip too. Seems like everything has an economic value these days... shame too, I find the best things cost little to nothin'... Big Tom

October 04, 2004 - Msg 23974: Hey yall
Nice weather starting..going to be just 66 here tomorrow! Was so happy to lay out warmer clothes for the girls for the morning.
Big Tom: Thanks...I have gotten bolder as I age.
I hope my hubby gets a big en too! I love to make roast beef, or rather deer, in the crock pot. And you know, he makes a good jerkey in his dehydrater as well. We need to be neighbors Tom!
Do you look like Big Tom from Survivor? I just get that feeling.ha! Such a lovable guy..
Hey yall I thought of a new concoction tonight while making supper. I called it Short Cut Chicken Parmesan...I made spaghetti..then I thought..hmmm..I've got some chicken patties..so I cooked them and then spread the sauce over it with the noodles on the side. It was right tasty. Just wish I had some mozarella to heat over the chicken.
Well going to do more laundry and dishes..check in before bed!

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23975: Hey to Jelsik, missed ya at M'Days this year. Good luck to the Cardinals. I'll have to pull for the Braves as long as they are in it but I'm a big fan of Tony LaRussa and I think the Cards have the team to beat.
Hey to the fishwife too. Glad to see y'all made it home ok.

I'd rather be called skunkface than honey like that ....

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23976: well it seems like i stirred up a small storm when i suggested the remshaw house party and what was your favorite part of halloween, sorry if anyone was offended. i feel that in today's crazy world, busy world that both kids and adults seldom get together in a safe and just have a mayberry moment. 2. i was thinking about how times have changed instead of carving jack-o - lanterns instead of painting or plugging them in. the costumes have changed. i believe anytime we can get together and put aside the cares and responsibilities we have is a good thing. i don't celebrate the holiday as a holiday. hay rides, wiener roast and enjoy life is what i celabrate. mdc=the remshaw place on oct 30th. need everybody that's coming to post their ides'a. alyce= i totally agree and respect everyone's right to follow what is right for them. romeena= barney was using that dreamers math. mayberry deputy= jr won that one, baseball playoffs start today. don't tell anyone, i hope it's the cards and twins in world series. pulling for twins in that case. stop by for breakfast. pipeman

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23977: Hey to Milton and jb.....I sure wish I could have made M'Days this year...
I could have sang harmony with Andy on the school song, I'm a first tenor, you kow...

-- Jelsik

"When I say low, I mean reeeaaaaal LOW!"

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23978: Mornin' porchsters....sorry jelsic, gotta go with my Braves! Been pulling for 'em since I was a kid. As a matter of fact, one of my favorite memories is when Dad took me to see the last weekend of the season back in '74 or '75. Saw Hank Aaron hit number 713. Thought he was going to tie Babe's record on the last day of the season, but it wasn't meant to be. Big Tom, I didn't cook the oysters, only assisted. Here's the method that was used. Using an outdoor burner, like the kind you fry turkeys with,in a big pot, put about 4 to 5 inches of water in the bottom (that's kind of a stupid statement on my part, it would be real hard to put the water at the top)...put fresh oysters in basket and lower into pot. Cover with lid. When steam begins to "billow" out, not just a little bit, but alot, remove lid, lift basket out and pour onto a sturdy table. The shell of the oyster should be popped open just a little bit, enough to wedge that oyster knife in and open it the rest of the way. You can overcook 'em which will give you that chewy sensation. And, we're so close to the coast that they ship 'em in REALLY fresh. Maybe that has something to do with it as well.

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23979: Hi Porch pals! Been gone a spell (DSL got shut off by accident) and surely did miss you all.

Halloween = All Hallows Eve. The night before All Saints Day (as celebrated on the Catholic calendar). What we like to do is dress up as our favorite Saints and trick-or-treat. That way when people ask who you are, you can do some evangelizing. I don't go for all the scary decorations - you know there's a house in my neighborhood that has all their spooky decorations up already!? I'll bet the don't do squat at Christmas. And if you look back into the history of these holidays, you needen't be frightened that they replaced some pagan holidays. We REPLACED them. They are no more. This helped the Pagans of the day learn about salvation. Our Dear Lord may not have been born on December 25, but there surely won't be any idol worshiping on that day any more!!

When Coffee was first brought back to the old country from South America, many people were frightened of it's pleasurable powers. So they took it to the Pope of that time and asked him to condemn it. He sampled the beverage and declared that it was so pleasing and good that he "claimed it for Christ and the Glory of God".

I'll get off my soapbox now. Good topic though!
~ Mrs. Wiley

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23980: I love it! The diversity of this porch is just a wonderful thing. I think it's great that we can have so many different approaches to one situation, and I especially like it that we can come together and voice our opinions freely and without fear of criticism. I think it's called "respect", and this porch embodies that trait. Pipeman, you didn't stir up anything bad, my friend. You just opened up a good discussion. Personally, I've enjoyed hearing the different points of view. Mrs. Wiley, you sure put out some food for thought there. Thanks! Alyce, I agree with you that the spooky, occult, witchy stuff should not be recognized, and especially not shown to our children. I think we're all responsible parents and will be conscientious about what we allow our children to be exposed to.

Possum!!! It sure is good to see you. You've been missed, my little dear. So glad your 'puter is fixed. Isn't it nice to have an "ept" friend or relative around? In my case, it's a friend, and he's out in Florida, but he can link up with my computer and "drive" it from there. Sure does come in handy. He has fixed several messes for me.

Well, I'm beat. Just got home from work, and I think I hear my bed calling me. Sugarplum says hey! --Romeena

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23981: Good Morning all!
I agree Romeena...its great to see the different aspects..and see them respectfully.
Wrs. Wiley: I am glad that I have no guilt by drinking that cup of coffee this morning now! haha!
Well I am going to find something to munch on now..I need to eat something healthy I guess..


October 05, 2004 - Msg 23982: Hey Folks
Tonight at 7.p.m. Mountain time on the Discovery Health channel there is a 1 hour special featuring my cousin from Ventura California who gave birth to quintuplets 3 years ago. Check it out if you get a chance.


October 05, 2004 - Msg 23983: hey to possum, jeslik, mpo, long time since you been in your chairs. we missed you. asa,alyce,romeena,sterling, mrs wiley and the rest what are you bringing to the party at the remshaw house on the 30th? let's bob for apples. otis to barney. don't drink that water barney, oh no, barney's gassed. where's spot and the rest of the porch? pipeman

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23984: Ok pipeman, Oct. 30th at Remshaw place, but YOU are going in to get the baseball!! teehee
Great discussion on this. Yes Romeena, respect is the word! Only on this board do I see that!
Must be all those life lessons that Andy taught us!
Speaking of that, look what Donna Reed did to transform the old house in "It's a Wonderful Life." that could be used as a springboard for what Mrs Wiley was saying. I did a little net research, and indeed, the Church inst-tuted Christian HOLYdays in place of the pagan holidays.
For example, Saturnalia was celebrated near December 25, for the dark winter solstice, and the Church fathers said let's "counter" that with the birth of Christ instead, celebrating new life! In fact, He was probably actually born in April or May because of the sheep in the fields, census, that we see in the written accounts,etc.
Here's one for you, last night's local ep was the "Fair Earnest T" where Andy transforms him (for a bit anyway). But during the ep Barney calles all the ladies there "dogs." I was surprised that was said that way in the early 60's. He even said "Fly a quail thru here and they'd all turn and point!" A funny line perhaps , but pretty derogatory.
Oh well, enuf of my soapbox for today.
I'll stand by those Cardinals with you Jelsik,
since we got your football version now!
Spot must be off a few days. I will be off Wed-Friday, may go away for a few days.
Have a good day all.

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23985: hey pipeman, just heard on espn radio that your boy, Dale Jr., got docked 25 points for his little slip in victory lane.

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23986: Oh yeah, Big Tom...talked to the guy who cooked the oysters. He said another little secret is to only fill the basket with oysters about half way up. That way you're getting all the oysters cooked more evenly. Also, he lowers the basket into the big pot right before the water starts to boil.

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23987: Asa: sounds really interesting..I'm looking forward to catching the program. Thanks for letting us know!


October 05, 2004 - Msg 23988: Is the Bullentin Board down?

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23989: Thanks Rev. sounds like I may have had too much water in my cooker. The ones that were submerged may have been the chewy ones. Heres a twist, try smokin' 'em over hickory coals. After ya' steam 'em put 'em on a screen wire like a door screen and cover them with a wet cloth like a drop cloth. It holds the smoke in which gives the oysters a hickory flavor. Apple wood works well too. I use green wood. Alyce, I look a lot more like Hulk Hogan. I have the mustache and hair like him anyway and I'm about the same size but it ends right there. We were in Pigeon Forge for the car show and my wife told some kids that I was Hulk Hogan. Boy whatta mess she made. Every kid there wuz on me like a duck on a junebug. I've run into Big Tom a few times and we laugh about havin' the same name, so yea' I'm a Survivor fan. Remember Tanya Vance, she was the girl that threw up all the time? Well she and my daughter are buddies and work together. She was on Survivor Thyland I think. Anyway I'm ramblin', better let someone else have the soap box...Big Tom

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23990: Big Tom: I dont think I watched that year of Survivor. Tom seems like a real nice guy, at least as the tv portrays him. I live near Marilyn "Mad Dog" Hershey from oh, maybe the second Survivor..not sure..she was on the one with Rudy, who is like an hour away from me. I have never run into Marilyn, I think she travels and stays on her farm too.

Asa: Is your cousin on the episode in which the babies are preemies and in the NICU for quite a while? I heard them say they were from Wisconsin, but I thought you said California...so I didnt know if I were watching the wrong episode.


October 05, 2004 - Msg 23991: Small world aint it Rev. Jr. I too was at Atlanta stadium to see that majistic shot Hank made. Whatta night... I'll never forget it. We must be 'bout the same age...I'm 49... goin' on 30 my wife says ...Big Tom

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23992: Mighty nice settin weather here on the west end of the porch, sippin a little sweet tea and listen to the debate on the radio.
I'll be headin for the hills for a few days to watch the leaves change, since they dont really change in Phoenix, just sort of all drop one day and that's it! teeheee
Goot evenin.

October 05, 2004 - Msg 23993: Hey 23988...what bulletin board are you speaking of? All of them that I run are working so far as I know.

October 06, 2004 - Msg 23994: Big Tom- I'm 44. And, according to my wife, going on 22. I've heard of the method you're talking about with the oysters. Some folks down here use burlap sacks instead of the drop cloths. I think it yields the same results. If I recall correctly, Hank hit 713 on a Saturday night. We stayed over for the Sunday game. Didn't he pop out in his final at bat? I remember the fans, me and my dad included, gave him a standing ovation for about 20 minutes. Gave me chills.

October 06, 2004 - Msg 23995: Hey Porch.
Alyce, my cousin was the one in the second episode called triplets and quintuplets. The Bova family. They adopted an infant one year before they had the quintuplets so they actually have 6 crumb catchers. Whew, I get tired just thinking about it.
Hope you all have a great day. It's hump day.


October 06, 2004 - Msg 23996: Morning Y'all! Nice and cool on my end of the porch this morning-seems like FALL may have finally arrived here in SC.
Still trying to figure everything out on my "newfangled" computer-long as I can get to Mayberry and my e-mail mail I'm happy for now!
Y'all have a GREAT day!
possum under a rock

October 06, 2004 - Msg 23997: possum I think you're right! Sure did feel great here in SC this morning. Supposed to drop into the high forties for Thursday morning. Can't wait.

October 06, 2004 - Msg 23998: Possum, sure is great to read you again dear - here's a pop-tart for ya! [] ~ Mrs. Wiley

October 06, 2004 - Msg 23999: Hello everyone!
Hope yall are having a good day..mine is ok.

Asa: I did watch the show! And although I never heard where the Bova's were from, I had an instinct that that was the family..your family. So who is your cousin..mom or dad? What a great story. It made me feel horrible though..not that bad..but how I complain sometimes about being so tired..and that I cant get such and such done with just two kids..and then I watch a story like that and its like.."shut up girl, you are doing good with just the two! so quit yer whining"
Good wake up call for me, I guess.
I love the dad though..kinda like me, "just play, if there is no blood showing, or in my case, I include bones too, then you are fine"


October 06, 2004 - Msg 24000: Above, sounds like I meant the dad said the part about the bones..didnt mean it that way...I was saying..that is what I say at home..


October 06, 2004 - Msg 24001: Oh, Floyd: I was referring to Ms. Crump's bullentin board. When I click on it, it says page cannot be found. Maybe its just my computer.


October 06, 2004 - Msg 24002: Alyce, I have that problem at times with different sites also. What I've found that helps is clicking real fast more than once on the, well whatever it is called that you click on to go other places on a website(I know there is a name for those things; my mind is not working today). Sometimes I click twice on them, sometimes I click a few times, and then sometimes I just let my mouse-clicking finger run free and hold on!
Just a note though, this doesn't work on the internet explorer back and forward buttons. If you click more than once on them it will take you back(or forward) how many times you click. I found that out.
-Sterling Holobyte

October 06, 2004 - Msg 24003: floyd to big al= if these burgers burn it won't be my fault. mdc= i'll get the ball if gomer and floyd goes in first. while your watching the leaves turn watch out for the bufflo's pointing the wrong way.reverand jr= sorry kasey kane is my driver but i think the rules this year are unfair. hey to possum, mrs wiley, sterling, alyce, big tom,asa, floyd, and the wander off spot and anyone i missed. more on the party soon. pipeman

October 06, 2004 - Msg 24004: PIPEMAN .. I agree ,the NASCAR rules do have a lot of flaws this year ,they shot themselves in the foot earlier this season with the first two penalties for saying the same word JR. said ,but JR. thinks hes above any rules .
ASA,STERLING ,ALYCE ,POSSUM ,SPOT, MDC ,REV. JR .MRS. WILEY ,BIG TOM ,hope all of you have a good evening
mayberry deputy

October 06, 2004 - Msg 24005: Sterling: Thanks I will try that..actually I did..but it was taking forever, and I just dont have that time. Too bad I am way out in the country and cant have cable.
MD: Did Jr put up a fuss for being penalized and fined? My husband is kinda like you I guess..that they had taken those actions for two others earlier,so that had to do it for him...doesnt matter who he is. But then again, I am kinda like my daddy, who thinks they should just fine them for that and not dock points.. I just dont know!
Well I am going to bed soon..hubby is going to get up early to go hunting, I want to get up too for my devotions.


October 06, 2004 - Msg 24006: Alyce, I am really going to sound like a fanatic, but here goes. About 15 years ago I read a book about the origins of Halloween and it scared the Chihuahua out of me! As I remember it the trick or treat thing started with the Druids, not the Catholics and had to do with selecting a virgin for a sacrifice on Halloween. Anyway, I have sort of steered clear of it since then. I do take my kids to the Fall festivals, though so they have a good time and get lots of candy, anyway. I just don't like scary stuff, myself. Also....I like to think of Easter as First Fruits (the Jewish observance) and I try to focus on the ressurection since Easter is actually a pagan word coming from the Goddess of fertility, Eastra (I think that was her name). I do color eggs with the kids, though so maybe I'm a hypocrite, heehee. I love Christmas but I didn't teach my kids about Santa. The other day my son said to me, "Mom, I believed what you told me about Jesus because you didn't lie to me about Santa.". Interesting statement coming from a nine year old...made me think. I would certainly never judge someone else for celebrating holidays, as I'm sure you wouldn't, either. Was it MDC that said he liked scary movies?? Ever seen the old black and white, Night Of The Living Dead?? Spoooooky!!!

Its still HOT here!! Hope you are happy, Asa!

I have REALLY been busy this weeks so I haven't posted much and may not for awhile. I am leaving in the morning for Houston for an appointment for my son and I have been caring for my parents who are having a really tough time, Mom is having surgery on Monday for a shoulder fracture and I think my dad is having strokes or something. He just isn't able to take care of himself and mom anymore so I will be moving in with them soon and I fear you may not hear from me for a long time. I will let you know if it comes to that, though. Well, got to go take my baby girl to her grandma's. She is staying with her for a couple of days (Hoo-Rah). My love to All!


October 07, 2004 - Msg 24007: Boo, have some coffee. teehee ~ Mrs. Wiley

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24008: And best of luck on your trip to care for your son. Hope the parents will fare well too, Boo. You are a good daughter. Your family will be in my prayers dear.

~ Mrs. Wiley

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24009: Morning porch. Prayers to you Boo. Hey pipeman, hope you know I was just giving you a hard time. What really kills me about NASCAR is the constant changing of the rules, not just this year, but practically every year and on a day to day basis.

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24010: Hey to the porch...been a while...life is nuts...I sure do wish there was a real Wally's for us to hang out...I could use an RC cola and a moon pie right about now! Hope everyone is doing well...off tomorrow to visit my dad in Ohio...
Prayers to all


October 07, 2004 - Msg 24011: Sorry for the long post...it just got me...

Explanation to a 9 yr old - Why we're at War

The other day, my nine year old son wanted to know why we were at war. My husband looked at our son and then looked at me. My husband and I were in the Army during the Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend our country again today. I knew my husband would give him a good explanation.

My husband thought for a few minutes and then told my son to go stand in our front living room window. He told him: "Son, stand there and tell me what you see?"

"I see trees and cars and our neighbors' houses." he replied.

"OK, now I want you to pretend that our house and our yard is the United States of America and you are President Bush."

Our son giggled and said "OK."

"Now son, I want you to look out the window and pretend that every house and yard on this block is a different country" my husband said.

"OK Dad, I'm pretending."

"Now I want you to stand there and look out the window and see that man come out of his house with his wife and he has her by the hair and is hitting her. You see her bleeding and crying. He hits her in the face, he throws her on the ground then he starts to kick her to death.

Their children run out and are afraid to stop him; they are crying; they are watching this, but do nothing because they are kids and afraid of their father. "Do you see all of this, son? What do you do?"


What do you do son?"

"I call the police, Dad."

"OK. Pretend that the police are the United Nations and they take your call, listen to what you know and saw but they refuse to help. What do you do then son?"

"Dad, but the police are supposed to help!" My son starts to whine.

"They don't want to son, because they say that it is not their place or your place to get involved and that you should stay out of it," my husband says.

"But Dad...he killed her", my son exclaims.

"I know he did..., but the police tell you to stay out of it. Now I want you to look out that window and pretend you see our neighbor, who you're pretending is Saddam, turn around and do the same thing to his children."

"Daddy...he kills them?"

"Yes son, he does. What do you do?"

"Well, if the police don't want to help, I will go and ask my next door neighbor to help me stop him." our son says.

"Son, our next door neighbor sees what is happening and refuses to get involved as well. He refuses to open the door and help you stop him," my husband says.

"But Dad, I NEED help! I can't stop him by myself!"


Our son starts to cry.

"OK, no one wants to help you, the man across the street saw you ask for help and saw that no one would help you stop him. He stands taller and puffs out his chest. Guess what he does next son?"

"What Daddy?"

"He walks across the street to the old ladies house and breaks down her door and drags her out, steals all her stuff and sets her house on fire and then..he kills her. He turns around and sees you standing in the window and laughs at you. WHAT DO YOU DO?"



Our son is crying and he looks down and he whispers, "I close the blinds, Daddy."

"My husband looks at our son with tears in his eyes and asks him..."Why?"

"Because Daddy.....the police are supposed to help...people who needs it....and they won't help. You always say that neighbors are supposed to HELP neighbors, but they won't help either. They won't help me stop him...I'm afraid....I can't do it by myself..Daddy, .....I can't look out my window and just watch him do all these terrible things and... and.....do nothing...so....I'm just going to close the blinds....so I can't see what he's doing........and I'm going to pretend that it is not happening."

I start to cry.

My husband looks at our nine year old son, standing in the window, looking pitiful and ashamed at his answers to my husband's questions and he tells him..."Son..."

"Yes, Daddy."

"Open the blinds because that man,... he's at your front door..."WHAT DO YOU DO?"

My son looks at his father, anger and defiance in his eyes. He balls up his tiny fists and looks his father square in the eyes, without hesitation he says: "I DEFEND MY FAMILY DAD! I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM HURT MOMMY OR MY SISTER, DAD! I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM, DAD, I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM!"

I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he grabs my son to his chest and hugs him tight, and cries..."It's too late to fight him, he's too strong and he's already at YOUR front door son.....you should have stopped him BEFORE he killed his wife. You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before......it's too late." my husband whispers.

THAT scenario I just gave you is WHY we are at war with Iraq. When good men stand by and let evil happen is the greatest EVIL of all.

Our President is doing what is right. We, as a free nation, must understand that this war is a war of humanity. We must remove evil men from power, so that we can continue to live in a free world where we are not afraid to look out our window......so that my nine year old son won't


October 07, 2004 - Msg 24012: Yo Goober, that story ROCKS! ~ Mrs. Wiley

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24013: Oh, well.....I must be a real evil person.....I think Halloween is cool (dressing up), and I ADORE Harry Potter too! Guess I better stay off the porch before I scare you folks to death! Now where's my broom?


October 07, 2004 - Msg 24014: Great story Goober.

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24015: Hey there!
Goober: great story!! Amen!

Boo: hope your trip is safe and well. Sorry about your parents, I hope they get better soon too!
Take care..


October 07, 2004 - Msg 24016: GOOBER... fantastic story ,its the best description I have ever heard of why we are at war ..thanks for sharing
mayberry deputy

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24017: ALYCE .. Jr. has appealed his fine and point deduction in jubilation of his win and not in anger and should not be penalized .

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24018: ALYCE... some of my post disappeared ..he said he spoke his word in jubilation of the win and not in anger like the other two guys who were penalized earlier in the year ,and shouldnt be penalized

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24019: MD: well rules are rules and they are applied to EVERYONE..even him...that is what I think at least.

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24020: Figured some of you might enjoy this little thing, regardless of various opinions of Halloween. Next time you see a pumpkin/jack-o-lantern, think of it like this:

Being a Christian is like being a pumpkin. God lifts you up, takes you in, and washes all the dirt off of you. He opens you up, touches you deep inside and scoops out all the yucky stuff-- including the seeds of doubt, hate, greed, etc. Then He carves you a new smiling face and puts His light inside you to shine for all the world to see.

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24021: Bulb: thats cute! lets just keep it a smiling face on that pumpkin!


October 07, 2004 - Msg 24022: thought i would drop by and winterize my rocker while the weather is good. boo= you and your family will be in my prayers. rev jr= i have enough senior moments without all the rule changes, how about you? GOOBER= been praying for you and missing you. we're going to have a party at the remshaw place on oct 30. hope you can drop by. the cubs will show them next year. bulbsnatcher= you'll rock at the hallowee party at the remshaw place. i loved the pumpkin analogy, thanks. where's spot? working on the halloween party at the remshaw house. bbq, ribs, potato salad, deviled eggs, boiled cabbage and fried cabbage, coffee, tea, and a surprise drink.homemade cornbread, biscuts, gravy red eyed of course. plenty of pumpkin pies, mince meat pies, cocunut lemon icebox cake, ice cream, cool whip. dancing, story telling, then a hay ride to myers lake to sit around the fire and roast marshmellows. then back to the remshaw house for some adventure sleeping. how does that sound? pipeman

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24023: PIPEMAN...I had to let the belt out an extra notch just reading your menu ,everything sounds delicious except for the cabbage ,maybe you ,SPOT, or REV JR , might want my share . I love homemade coleslaw but thats as far as I go with cabbage
mayberry deputy

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24024: I'm in! I'll supply the bbq sauce for the ribs and 'que...gotta ask, how do you fry cabbage? I thought us southerners fried everything, but I've never had that. would like to try it.

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24025: Rev Jr: I wondered that too, but I assume you just put it in a frying pan with some ham, or bacon grease and fry it like that, actually sounds good, huh?


October 07, 2004 - Msg 24026: we posted at the same time MD....I'll take your share, even though I've never had it. It's got to be good if you fry it! No question I'll take your share of the boiled...that's good eatin'.....throw in some collard greens with a side of vinegar pepper then you've got the perfect meal!

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24027: I don't want to be a hog....I'll split MD's share with you Alyce.

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24028: Mmmm collard greens with pepper sauce. OO-ooWEE! Pipeman, I'll be there at the Remshaw place iffin' I get out of the hospital in time. I plan on getting home around the 28th, but if it goes like last time it could run well past election day. I got an absentee ballot just in case. Prayers for all who need them!

~ Mrs. Wiley
"Eatin' speaks louder than words."

October 07, 2004 - Msg 24029: I'll be a hog...I don't mind! Hey Pipe...hope we'll see a next year without Sammy...some thing just ain't right. The party sounds good...I'll bring some Apple butter cake and a big jug of milk!


October 07, 2004 - Msg 24030: I'll be at the party too Pipeman. . .the kids can't wait. . .please tell Asa not to ride the goat like he did at Romeena's last year. He has a baaaaad haaaabit of "abusin" my goats like. Can you believe he actually tried to see if they were loaded one time?

Speaking of goats. . .here's a little kid story. We recently moved the goats to some new pasture. Well the boys (two leggeds) were playing in the pasture as well. Our little bottle babies looked at the big goats and looked at the boys and ran after the boys like puppy dogs. The were jumping and running and little tails wagging - it was a sight for a momma's eyes. Ahhh the country life. . .

Little meat loaves for supper with some broccoli, and some taters, and some beans too for good measure! Ya'll come!!


October 08, 2004 - Msg 24031: Good evening, porch! Bulbsie, you don't scare me a-tall, friend. I rather imagine your broom is used more for sweeping than for riding. And now, for some reason, the movie "Hocus-Pocus" popped into my head. It's hilarious. Yes, it's about witches, but it's about as scary as Samantha Stevens, and it's such a farce that no one would take it seriously. Bette Midler is a scream. Here's my favorite scene: The three inept witches are about to flee a scene. One hops on a broom and flies off. The second looks around, grabs a mop, hops on and flies away. The third, the one who always gets things wrong, is left behind momentarily, then has a brainstorm. She grabs a vacuum cleaner, hops on and flies away too, with the long electric cord trailing! Too funny!

homemaker, what a delightful scene you just described. Little boys and young animals - just made for each other. Besides, there just about isn't anything any cuter than a baby goat.

Pipeman, I think I'll bring a big salad, with little mandarin oranges, and walnuts, and lots of different kinds of greens, and maybe a new Key Lime dressing I found that's just delish! As for cooked greens, I like 'em all, any way you want to fix 'em, but my favorite way is sauteed in a little bacon grease until they're nice and limp, then shake a little vinegar pepper sauce over them, tuck a napkin under my chin to catch the drips and the cornbread crumbs, and slurp away! MMmmmmMMMMM!!

Well, g'nite, folks. Sugarplum says hey! --Romeena

October 08, 2004 - Msg 24032: mrs wiley= i pray you get home soon, anytime your in the horsepital it gets old quick. if you miss this one, i'm sure we'll have to have a special welcome home party. alyce= your right, saute onions, peppers, bacon bits or ham bits in butter or grease and fry. some add walnuts and other things. anyone welcome to bring any food they want. i wonder if briscoe will honor us with a few songs. of course songs like monster mash and flying purple people eater will be played. donuts, orange juice, milk, coffee, and starbucks coffee for the mount pilot folks and everyone. pipeman

October 08, 2004 - Msg 24033: Starbucks for the Mt. Pilot folks?!? Pipeman, you're a SCREAM! ~ Mrs. Wiley

October 08, 2004 - Msg 24034: Hey Pipe...what about Screamin' Jay Hawkins' "I Put a Spell On You" ? Do you coat the cabbage with anything or just toss 'em in and hang on like you described above? Romeena-sounds like how we eat greens at my house!

October 08, 2004 - Msg 24035: ello there my name is Sherry SPOTs girl friend..he wanted me to get incontact you...on Oct 2,2004 Spot was involved in a head on collision. was life flighted to the Atlnta trama unit, he was in icu for 3 days, broke femur crushed ankle broke left arm and manycuts..still in hospital..plate in arm and roda in legs , will be in hospital at least 2 more weeks..one more operation on mon to go...prayers please...his spirits are great..the accident was not his fault...signed:SHERRY...SPOT's girlfriend

October 08, 2004 - Msg 24036: Howdy Porch!

Been a bit too busy lately, sorry I haven't visited a little more. I was reading about everyone's opinions about Halloween. I am the person who hands out candy at this house. I don't really mind at all when some of the teenagers come, not even dressed up in costume, begging for candy. I personally feel every teenager needs a little extra love nowadays. When my children were under 12, I viewed teens as rebellious trouble makers. When my kids got into those years, and of course their friends did also, I began to realize a lot of society looks on that age group with a guarded opinion. Some of them start to dye their hair strange colors, some get awful looking piercings or tattoos. It can be pretty hard to look at them with love. But I know that is what I am supposed to do, and most of them react very positively to you, when you show a little kindness. Young people go through so much, and I think if adults show a little more compassion and understanding, well, you just never know what that might do to a young person's outlook on life in general. In conclusion...LOL... when teenagers come to my door, they always get a smile, and a candy!

I guess the older I get, the more people I understand and like! Just think when I am 100!!

Have a great day all!

Mary Wiggins