October 09, 2008 - Msg 66809:
Hey, did I scare everyone off?


October 09, 2008 - Msg 66810: auh20 - are you down there with them spiders again?

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66811: Where in the world is everyone today?? I know SPOT and MDC are on vacation, but it is way yonder too quiet around here today.

We need to have a meeting to discuss the annual party at the Remshaw House on October 31st. Who's bringing what? I'm bringing a date..."Count Istvan Teleky"!..and some candy eyeballs, and I am making some dirt pudding with gummy worms in it. Let's all dress up!


October 09, 2008 - Msg 66812: Well im back safe and sound..had a great time,yall eat good..caught fish and turtles!..will read in a bit...hey CD,Rev,Boo,Ro,Mavis...back in a bit....SPOT

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66813: Hey, all. Spot, I'm glad you had a good time. Boo, if you and Bruce survive the house construction, remember there are still drapes to be hung. That's another point where it can get a bit sticky. As for fluorescent lights, I'm with you. I can't stand 'em. Cold, harsh light, always with that slight greenish tint (well, I see green anyway) and sooner or later, they start that infernal high-pitched humming. I have to put up with them at work, but I don't at home. I'm stockpiling all the incandescent bulbs I can get my hands on, to use when you can't buy them anymore. If I can just stock up enough to light my path to the end, I'll be happy. I keep a light on in the front hall bathroom all the time, so when I look down that hallway I'm not looking into blackness, and I did put one of those silly curly things in there, but that's all. The lights where I live in the house are warm incandescents. Sorry, Mr. Gore.

I sent another email with a link to a thought-provoking political video - most of you will receive it. If you didn't, and want it, let me know. If you did and don't want it for whatever reason, again just let me know. No problem to take your name off that particular list. It's not just the opposition party, I have some good Republican friends who don't want political emails from either side, and that's certainly their right, and I don't send them. No offense taken. Hey, I've got a note on my front door asking that no political representatives knock or ring the bell, or leave literature. I don't mind receiving emails, but I resent being awakened by the doorbell after I've worked all night, to find someone has hung a political flyer on my door. Grrr!

As November draws closer, the temptation to get into heated discussion here is going to be very great. I hope we can avoid that, which is why I'm using email.

Well, guess I'd better run. I'll probably check back in later. Be blessed, everyone. --Romeena

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66814: Hello, porch family. I was off today(vacation day just to get some things done around the house). Spot, it's good to have you back. Hope you and Miss Sherry had a great time. I love fish, but count me out on the turtles. I'm glad you got back safe.
Boo, I'm looking forward to the Halloween party at the Remshaw house. I got copies of the AG patterns for jack-o-lanterns. I'll bring the Barney, Goober, Floyd, and Opie jack-o-lanterns. Also, some tombstone cupcakes and haunted swamp punch.
Apologies for being so busy today.Good to be here in the rocker with friends.
Prayers and God's blessings,

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66815: Ok gang got just a little break...got the camper cleaned and put up till first week in Nov..the turtles were NOT miss Sherrys favorite part of the trip but did draw attention!..MEAN they are..Opie and Otis were glad to see me even though Mom and Pop spoil them while im gone!..Tom,Rev,Maude,Possum,asa,hazel,hm,nn,Lucy(we got rain girl) and all...still aint read but gona get things put up and ready for work tomorrow at 7 am...prayers for all....back before bed...SPOT

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66816: Evenin' Y'all! Hooray- Laci,me,and most importantly,my daughter,survived these past 2 weeks of clinicals! No more getting up at 4:30-5 am! Now she goes for her certification in a few weeks and she'll be a LPN/EKG technician.
Spot,did y'all get rained out? Lots of rain in GA and SC these past two days. Oh,I see that you mentioned the rain- sorry,I'm tired. Glad you had a good time and are back with us!

I'll bring everything we need so that we can bob for apples over at the Remshaw house on Halloween. I haven't decided on my costume yet. Maybe Spot & I can dress as meatloaves and ride with each other to the party! How's that sound,Spotty? LOL!
Y'all have a good night-love to all!
possum under a rock

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66817: Spotty says YES possum..and we did not get rained out just a little yesterday and we watched some Dragnet eps!..and Sherry read and I piddled with fishing rods...now I still have not read the archives but there must be a Halloween party planed at the Remshaw house...Meatloavers?..hey im game for anything!..but lets put the ketsup on top of YOU!...I think that would be cool!..hey Mavis,Tom,Rev,Boo,Ro,Hm,NN,CD,auh2o,mdm,md..back in just a bit ...SPOT

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66818: Hi, porchsters; possum, congratulations to your daughter for finishing her clinicals. You must be very proud(and relieved!)of her. I am always glad to see someone seek higher education and have a secure career. She's also setting a good example for Laci.
Spot and possum dressing up as meatloaves. Boy howdy, I 'm definitely going to bring a camera; this is going to be too funny!LOL
Love and prayers to all

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66819: Hey Cd it was possums"s Idea!...im in there though!...better bring some towel for that ketsup!..so glad you came to the porch...you got Ro any pics yet?..are ya mailing from work?..hows the belt business?...Rev where are you budy?..Tom,Mavis...ok back in a bit ...SPOT

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66820: Hi,Spot;I'm at home tonight. I took a day off to get some things done around the house.Rained all day, so it was a perfect day for being at home. No, I haven't had a chance to get any pics to Romeena yet; hopefully, I can do that real soon.
Our CEO had a meeting with us Tues; he said business is still solid right now, and not to worry.
Forgive me for not remembering(I'm still trying to remember things about everyone)But you live in Ga., right? When I was in elementary school, I lived in Athens, Ga., and then I lived in a small town of Hull, Ga.
Tom, MD, possum, Hazel, Ro,auh20,Boo,New Neighbor,hm,and all other porchsters, I hope you have had a blessed day.

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66821: Yep Kennesaw Ga CD...20 miles above Atlanta..Lucy lives in Ga also..Rev you on the road yet?..gosh I just being on the road with the camper..met a nice couple this week from Alaska on their way to Fla..well Ro you are working tonight I think..I go in at 7 tomorrow..CD you working second shigt tomorrow?..Hazel how are you?..NN?..CHUCK?..Tom?..M-T,ky girl?..OK will holler from work in the morning..Breakfast on Maude and I at waffle house ok...love ya porch..prayers ...SPOT

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66822: hi everyone1spot glad you and miss sherry are back safe and sound.hey possum,congratulations on laci's mom getting certified.i am taking classes to be certified to do medical billing and coding,and,my oldest daughter is taking classes to be an LPN.i know you can't tell by my typing thats what i'm training to do,but,by evening i'm tired of correcting all my spelling mistakes!WE got a little rain here,not alot .We need more.Welcome to the porch CD,nice to have you here.Talk to you all soon-ky Girl

October 09, 2008 - Msg 66823: Thanks, ky Girl, it's so nice here with good people like you. Congratulations to you and your daughter for furthering your educations. I admire your initiative and I hope you both do really well in your classes.
Waffle House sounds great; see all of you at breakfast. I'll be working second shift tomorrow;
Prayers to all my porch friends..

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66824:
Hey Folks

Good Morning! It is beautiful here, leaves are changing, weathers cool and sunny.

We're taking the girls out for a fish fry a little later. If ya'll enjoy some deep fried haddock, we'd love to see ya.
Asa, maybe you should slip on some shoes for this one, sorry buddy.

God Bless,

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66825: Morning Auh2o..glad you are having nice weather. It is still way too warm down here, but it usually is in October. Our winter probably is more fall in most parts of the country. Most of our trees don't change color, either, and that stinks. I have to drive for a couple of hours to see real leaves change.

You know, I mentioned Istvan Teleky yesterday in my post and then I went to turn on the TV, and guess what was on?? The Istvan Teleky episode (no kidding)! Ooooo....maybe Istvan does exist...well, it is the time of year for strange occurences...

I went to mom and dad's last evening to watch a movie with them, but half way through, Dad wanted to turn it off and watch CSI. I don't watch CSI but he wanted me to watch it with him so I did. Very depressing. Oh well, it meant something to Dad for me to be there.

I am off to look at more floor tile (groan). Trying to find what we want at the right price is not as easy as I thought it would be. Ya'll have a great Friday. I probably won't be back until evening.


October 10, 2008 - Msg 66826: Ro, I didn't get your email and I would like to see it, if you care to send it.

I wonder what causes that, Boo.(your tv/Count Teleky experience)

-Sterling Holobyte

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66827: Good Morning, everyone. It's cloudy and 72 degrees here in NC. A bit muggy, though; hopefully it will clear off and we will get some some crisp autumn weather.
auh2o, I've never tried haddock; does it have a strong, fishy taste? If not, I'd love to try some.
Boo, I saw the Istvan ep yesterday, and I thought the same thing...maybe there is something to the power of suggestion!
Well, time to get ready for work; God's love and prayers for all my porch friends. Boo, hope you are able to get the floor tile you want at a good price.
Gotta get ready for work; God's love and prayers for all my porch friends. Talk to ya'll later.
C Darlin'

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66828: Morning Dears.
It has been a delightful Fall here but that is about to change. A storm is due in tinight with rain turning ti snow by tomorrow night, even down to the valley floor. So I reckon winter is here for us. Oh well.

I guess I'll put shoes on Auh2o for some good fish. My favorite is Halibut, or lobster, or king crab. I just love fish, but am like CD, not if it's too strong.

Have fun picking tile Boo. Don't spat with Bruce.:)


October 10, 2008 - Msg 66829: Afternoon Asa,Boo,CD,auh20,Rev,Tom,hazel,nn and all....possum lets clean this bunch up and run them to olive garden for lunch...maude get out the water hose...I'll bring the truck around.....SPOT

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66830: Where are yall...was just kidding about the hose thing!...ha ha.....SPOT

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66831: Hahaha, I had to laugh at your post, ASA! I am home early from tile shopping because I had a "spat" with Bruce! I wanted to pinch his head off. It wasn't about picking the tile, but all I did was ask him why, if we already found what we wanted, did we have to keep going to tile places? He gave me a smart answer and the fight was on...haha. When will that man ever learn? Why in the world didn't he just answer my question in a civil way?...it would have been alot less painful for him....(now I've ruined the leg of lamb!).

Hey there SPOT.


October 10, 2008 - Msg 66832: I love fish. Though I will agree with some here; not too strong.
I remember when I went to Germany to visit some friends, and they had this fish dish(Hey, I'm a poet) that came in a little aluminum pan, and I have to tell you, when I ate that I thought I had died and went to Heaven. I loved it. I just wish I could find something like it over here. Never did though. Darn.
I think that is the only thing I ate over there. Besides Jaeger-Schnitzel. And beer. Yes, beer is a food over there(and I made sure I got my daily allowance - only from the lighter kind), especially those thick stout beers that you practically have to eat with a spoon. Yuck!
I could never get into putting mayo on hamburgers either, or eating fries with a fork.

But that's enough about that.
My friends(to quote John McCain), I have some advice to ask, which I really should have asked sooner, but now certain things have come up which have added some urgency to the matter, which I will expand more on that later in this post.
But first and foremost(and this is for anyone who cares to chime in, and moreso for those who attend a Baptist Church, and especially women); is there an emphasis on the submission of women to their husbands in your church? And what do you think of it? And what does it mean, exactly?
I mean, I can't say that there is an "overwhelming" emphasis on it at the church I go to, but they have mentioned it, like when they were doing a theme on foundations and the family, and around Mother's Day.
Luckily, my wife was over in Hawaii during those times, or we might not be going to this church anymore. I mean, she once said she was almost ready to walk out when the Pastor asked for ladies to help out in the kitchen and didn't mention men.
I calmed her down then, saying I don't think he meant it like that.
He just recently was trying to get volunteers for a golf outing and he didn't exclude the ladies, so I think that might have eased her mind a bit.
But, this IS a Bible-believing, fundamentalist church, and the Bible does mention wives being submissive to their husbands.
Now, while I don't think that means husbands lord over their wives and that they should stay barefoot and pregnant, my wife is going to take it like that should they mention it again.
She has mentioned before(like during that "kitchen" incident), that she doesn't want Kai taught that she's not equal to a man and can't be anything she aspires to be. I kind of have to agree with her on that. I mean, I want Kai to "be all she can be" as well. I've even told her she could grow up to be President if she wants to.
Like I have said, I don't think it means a woman is somehow "lower" than a man. The Bible also states(and was mentioned in church as well), that a "man should love his wife as he loves God". Now to me, that means you are holding her up to some high esteem there.

The reason I ask this now, is that a situation has come about that I could only dream of before.
Due to my wife's dad's passing, we were, I think blessed, to have some extra money coming in. Especially when we REALLY needed it.
I will say here that I would still rather have her dad here than the money. I always had much respect for him. He was a patient, strong, and very wise man. You don't get to be an Aikido master and teacher by being dumb and reckless.

The insur@nce money was split between his three kids, and while it did not make us filthy rich like you always see in the movies(who wants to be filthy anyway)it HAS allowed us to contemplate taking Kai out of public school and into a private school.
Another blessing part is that this was my wife's idea. I've always wanted it, but I never made a move to do it because I knew we didn't have the money. Made even MORE miraculous that she suggested putting her in the Baptist Academy, which is associated with and actually attached to the church we go to.
Upon my wife's orders;), went to see the principal of the school to talk about it.
Now any other time, I would have jumped at the chance to get Kai out of the secular thought training camps that are our public schools nowadays(well, most of them anyway), but yet I find myself apprehensive of this endeavour, and I don't know why.
Well, actually I do in some ways. The principal made mention of one of the reasons Kai would appear to be a good candidate for entering the school, was that she appears "submissive"(there's that word again like I talked about up above). Now, again, I don't think he meant anything negative in that, but there it was emphasized again. I told him jokingly to not mention that if he talks to my wife(along with me being "head of the household"), but also to see if he would give me some info on what exactly that meant, and what it didn't mean. But he didn't adequately satisfy my curiousity. He's a nice guy though. I like him.

Another reason for my hesitation came from the sample English workbook he gave me to show me the sort of things Kai would be studying.
It has your basic word problems, some with a Christian theme of course, since this is a Christian school. Things like, "Christy like to go to church on Sunday". No problem there.
Though one question I saw disturbed me a little bit. It says, "Wicked people do not love God." And then "______ do not want to please him." And you are supposed to add "He", "She", "They", etc to the blank.
I should mention that this is a third grade workbook, but, I don't know, at first glance, it just seemed a little ...harsh, or something.
I see the truth in that statement, but would kids see it, without looking down on that person?
Just as I want to protect Kai's mind from the implanting of any extreme left-wing propaganda, I also will protect her from the extreme right-wing as well. Does this sort of thing qualify? I guess I can't really say for sure. It depends on what and how much they try to drill it into her head.
I don't remember if we had questions like that when I went to Catholic elementary school; we may have, and it didn't turn me into a right-wing extremist. I'm proud and glad I went there now. I believe it has given me a good heart and a better ability of discerning good from evil than I might have had.
And I want that part for Kai.
My wife and I may have different reasons for wanting to place Kai in a Christian school, and away from the public school system, but one thing we agree on is that we want Kai to have that sturdy foundation. But, as my wife says, she didn't "want Kai to go around d@mning people to h@ll." Which I think is kind of a stereotype of Christians, however. Though possibly brought about by people's views of religious extremists and then placed over the Christian community in general.

So, since my wife has told me that she will leave it up to ME, I have to temper my enthusiasm of yanking Kai out of public school, with the protectiveness I feel for Kai and her mental and spiritual well-being. I don't want to do things to stifle her, because she does have so much potential and is so special. That, and due to lowered enrollments this year, she would only have one girl her age to relate to. She would be in a class with 7 students, of different grades up to grade four. That number of students, while I know means more individual help for her from the teacher, makes me fear for her feeling alone.

I have a couple more minor hesitations about the school, but my wife is coming home early and I have to take her to a Doctor's appointment. But I will be interested to hear any opinions on what I have written.

-Sterling Holobyte

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66833: STERLING: I was on my way out the door when I read your post. Unfortunately, I don't have time to comment now, though I have some opinions tos hare (unusual, huh?). In a nutshell, men and woman are not equals in all matters, but are equal in the sight of God. Wives are suppsoed to submit themselves, in love, to their husbands, but husbands in turn are expected to submit themselves fully to protection and well-being of their wives. In layman's terms, that means husbands are to put their wives before themselves in all things. Unfortunately, some have perverted this to mean "do as I say, not as I do." The Bible tells us that husbands will be judged for their family.

That said, you are right, the circiculum sounds harsh and the comment by the principal would have been a dela-breaker for me. Good candidate because she's submissive? Are we choosing only so-called submissive little girls to be Christain educated now? I suppose the rest can be thrown to the world. And what the heck is a submissive 8-year-old anyway? And shouldn't boys be "submissive" (to parents and authority) at age eight? This school sounds like they are basking in legalism to me. I, of course, can't get the full story for just your post. But be careful, going from public school to a school based on wrong-headed theology is frying pan to fire. I suggest checking out some other schools in the area.

See y'all tomorrow (yes, I'm working on Saturday).


October 10, 2008 - Msg 66834: Evenin' Y'all. Sterling,I don't have any knowledge of what goes on in a private Baptist school,but I worked in the public schools for 20+ years & I can understand your reasons for wanting to take Kai out of them. I think I'd check out the other Christian schools in your area,as Me-They has suggested. Sorry I can't offer anything more than that- I'm sure they'll be others here who may be able to help you. I commend you for wanting the best for your child and pray you get it.

Spot,why do I have to wear the ketchup on MY costume?? But,you'll be my escort to the party,right? Well.. what the heck..I'll do it!

Let's all go to Morielli's tonight and have the pounded steak dinner.Meet y'all over there- drive carefully now!
possum under a rock

P.S. Thanks,ky girl and CD for the congrats about my daughter- we're certainly proud of her accomplishments.

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66835: Good evening, all. Wow! Sterling, you have raised some serious questions, and I think Me-They has given you some good, albeit brief, answers. I'm sure he will have more to say when he has time, and believe me, I've got some opinions, too. (Big shocker.) Let's take things in the order in which you presented them.

First of all, submissiveness as seen by the Baptist church. It's important to note here that Baptist churches are considered autonomous - that is, we are not under the direct control or direction of any governing body. There are associations, such as the Southern Baptist Convention, which publishes teaching literature and offers guidelines and suggestions, but there is no actual authority there. We consider it the responsibility of each church to follow the scriptures as closely as possible. Obviously, this leaves things open for interpretation, and in most cases, that works fine. There are cases, though, in which some pastor goes off on a tangent of his own and puts his own spin on things. Sometimes it's relatively harmless, other times it gets waaay off base. In extreme cases, the associations have been known to withdraw fellowship from such a church, not allowing them to proclaim themselves as members of the association. In my experience, the issue of wives submitting to their husbands is a frequent, prime example of these extreme interpretations. I think this happens when some control freak sees it as an excuse to glorify himself and keep his wife and family under his thumb.

The scripture plainly states that wives should "submit yourself unto your husband as unto the Lord". That's pretty plain. However, it doesn't end there. There's actually more said to husbands, admonishing them to love their wives as their own bodies, among other things. I won't quote it all here. The point is, when a man has the right loving and respectful attitude toward his wife, exhibits protectiveness and care for her and has her best interests at heart, it becomes very easy for a wife to "submit" to such a man. He won't be ordering her around, or making her life miserable in any way. My Dale used to smile and say, "Whatever makes her happy just tickles me plumb to death!" That's funny, but it said so much. He wanted me to be happy in all things, and it was so very easy for me to "submit" to him. Sometimes when I wanted something or wanted to do something, he would say, "I wish we could, but I don't think that would be the best thing for us right now. Let's think about it." I never felt subservient or exploited or repressed, I just felt loved. Oddly enough, he almost always turned out to be right. No one is perfect, but he came close.

So - when the husband is right with God, has the right attitude toward his wife, and wants what is best for her and for the marriage, a wife can't go wrong by letting him lead. Incidentally, on the few occasions where that agreement came hard for me, but I went along with him anyway, he either turned out to be right, or he appreciated my cooperation so much that he'd try to make it work, or would do something else to make it up to me. The key here is not the wife's submission, but the husband's attitude. When the attitude is right, the submission works. --Romeena

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66836: Possum you bet I will be your escort!..ketchup or not!..;)...hey Ro,m-t,sterling...just got in yall let me get this front yard mowed and then will be at moriellis.....SPOT

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66837: Quite honestly, the school principal's description of Kai as "submissive" would give me cause to pause. I'd want to talk to him further and explore that, find out exactly what he meant. Why does he consider that such a plus?

I would also want to know just what, if any, oversight is in place for the school, or do they just fly by the seat of their pants? I would want to sit in on some classes, unannounced. I would want to visit with some of the other parents. I would want to see proof of the credentials of the teacher and other staff, and I'd want proof that some thorough background checks have been done.

I'll be honest, I do see a bit of a red flag here. Obviously, in the workbook example you gave, they're trying to teach the child how to choose the right pronouns and verb tenses, and that's good. I'm not sure, though, that doctrine needs to be a secondary intention, and especially not when it sounds, as you said, a bit harsh. Perhaps it would be better to foster an attitude within a child that everyone should love God, and when someone doesn't, we want to help them to find Him. Perhaps that's enough for a third-grader. They will learn about the "wicked" people in this world, and certainly there are some, soon enough.

I find the tiny enrollment to be a concern also. First of all, why? Apparently no one is knocking the doors down to get their children into the school. Why not? And again, I come back to the issue of oversight. To whom does this school answer? What curriculum are they following? In other words, just how qualified is the school?

I'll probably think of more, but I've bored everyone's ears off by now, so I'll yield the floor to someone else. --Romeena

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66838: Thanks Possum for the steak dinner!..got my front yard mowed and dark came...watching the play offs..Miss Sherry has to work at 10 tonight..went by after work and she had me salmond pattys and bisquits to carry home for lunch tomorrow!..well gona wash a load of clothes and see if the porch fills up...got some boiled peanuts going!...hey CD,Asa,possum,Romeena,auh2o and all..Rev check in ok?...back in a bit..SPOT

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66839:
Spot-Just how do ya boil peanuts? And, don't say put them in boiling water. Does boiling them make 'em taste better? I just love salmon patties. I love salmon just about any-which-way.

Haddock is a light flavored white fish and it tasted mighty swell tonight.

BoSox zip
Rays zip


October 10, 2008 - Msg 66840: auh2o im famous for my boiled p-nuts..I boil mine(5 lbs) in a big turkey fryer pot for 4 hrs with one pound of regular salt,then drain,fill with water put a half a pound of sea salt in boil about another 3 hrs or till tender....GOOD..and salmond pattys are so good with bisqits and Mayo!...SPOT

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66841: Hi All.
Just was a nice day here and it going to warm up to about 83 dre.


October 10, 2008 - Msg 66842: Well,I'm going to agree with a couple of people here on the porch.I go to a independent,fundamental baptist church.And,like Romeena said,submissive wives,is only if the husband is right with the Lord and puts her first.If that is the case,then submissive is easy.I also wonder why she is considered a good candidate because she is submissive.I would definitly want to know why that was said.I'm not being overly cynical,maybe he just chose the wrong word to use,but,it would bother me until he explained the reason he said that.My youngest daughter went to a christian school at an independent fundamental Baptist church for 2 years.She needed some learning support the school couldn't provide,so,I sent her to public school for one year.I home school her now because the christian school closed because of low enrollment.Is it possible for either of you [you or your wife] to homeschool her if it turns out you don't like the school? Well,thats my two cents,for what it's worth-ky girl

October 10, 2008 - Msg 66843: Spot,those boiled peanuts sound good,I didn't know thats how they were cooked,I truly thought you just put them in a pot and boiled them,not adding anything to them-ky girl

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66844: Sterling, I think Ro did a wonderful job of explaining the Baptist church. The only thing I would add is that if it is labeled as a "fundamental" Baptist church, it might be different than the mainstream. I don't attend a Fundamental Baptist Church, but I am very familiar with one and there are some differences. The school Erin attends is run by a fundamental baptist church and I am very careful and observant about what she is saying and learning. Her curriculum has been fine and the leaders of the school are loving and friendly, but they tend to be strict and the women only wear skirts or dresses. I don't know exactly how to put my finger on it, but they are different. My pastor never talks about the submission thing (probably because his very beautiful, smart and strong wife would kill him)! haha. I am aware of the submission scripture but I think submission is open to interpretation because the same verses tell us all to submit to one another in LOVE...not just women to men. That whole passage of scripture is often twisted to suit men who want to control women. I think Ro is right, it works when a man loves his wife and is willing to love her as much as Christ loves the church (and laid down His life for her). Obviously, the man has been given the bigger challenge in this verse. It is really too bad that all husbands aren't like Romeena's Dale. He understood that verse and he obviously understood his wife. I will say that I believe it is God's will and plan for people to learn to love in all relationships. That is all that really matters...relationship with God and people. Not being "right" and demanding one's own way and independance. I happened to be thinking about this very thing today as I was driving and noticed a couple of love bugs crawling up my driver's-side window. You know the ones I mean; they are black with red heads and they are hooked together at the back end, so that they are facing opposite directions. Well, I was watching them get around and I noticed that the larger one was going forward where it wanted to go and the smaller went along. One had to submit to the other if they wanted to get anywhere. They just do what it is their nature to do, and it works. Heck, they even fly together. God made them that way and I think that the way humans work best is by submitting to one another within a loving relationship. If one is always pulling against the other, you can't get far.

You know Sterling, I have been praying that you would be able to send Kai to Christian school, and I pray you will make the right decision about where to send her. It appears that the Lord has opened a door for you, lets keep praying that He will show you where He wants her to attend. I am so proud of you for wanting to give Kai a good spiritual foundation for her education. You're an amazing Dad.

I am beat to the socks! Way too much tile shopping. Think I will turn in. Love to All...


October 11, 2008 - Msg 66845: Thanks for your comments, and sorry for taking up most of the porch to the rest of you. :)

I'll try to add some more detail to help with some of your questions. First of all, the principal was saying Kai was submissive I think because she is so well-behaved, and he sees that when we go to church. So why didn't he just say "well-behaved"? Well, I wish he would have, then I could feel better about this.

Ro, you explained it almost like our Pastor did one of those times when he mentioned it in church, with the husband being right with God, and then it being easier to be submissive to him. I still don't think my wife would take that well, but as he says, it's Biblical.
I can't really argue with that. However, he has also mentioned other things that happened long ago that do not happen today, saying God has done different things at different times. So could this be part of that, since the roles of women are different today? Or is that part of the reason for our decline in society, if WE changed those rules?
See, what a sticky-wicket this is, isn't it?!

Me-They, and Ro, I actually went looking for another Christian school, but the only other one in town closed down. It was none-denominational, so I felt that maybe it would not feel as heavy-handed. So I went to the nearest town, and I still don't know if that Christian school(which had good reviews from parents) is closed down either. The address I went to looked like there was a school there, and they had the sign, but there was no one there on Thursday when I went. Couldn't reach them by phone either.
The economy could be to blame for some of that, I suppose. The principal of the Baptist school did say they had lower enrollment this year as well, so that could have something to do with why there are not many students.
You also have to understand that this is a small town with only about 8000 people, so I suppose that plays a part as well in the small number of students.
Though, yes, it does merit some more investigation before placing Kai there.
The only other religious schools are the Catholic(where I went to school), the Lutheran, and a little Seventh-Day Adventist one, which has a smaller student body than even the Baptist one.
Those first two, especially the Catholic school, seem to be flourishing. I know, because I drive by the Catholic school when I pick up Kai, and there are always a lot of students and parents.
I would love to send her there, but my wife would never go for that. Nor for the Lutheran one. But I wouldn't really be for that one either, as I have heard some things about their strictness as well.

I feel pretty frustrated right now. It seems like here we have this chance to actually do some good with this money; i.e. get Kai into a good, wholesome school, but it seems like it might not happen.

I will talk to you later. Kai is having a play-date tomorrow with her best friend from pre-school so I'd better get to sleep so I can deal with their yelling and screaming(from playing) tomorrow. ;)

-Sterling Holobyte

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66846: Thank you, Boo. I do hope He shows me the way.

-Sterling Holobyte

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66847: Ditto, Boo. Well said. If one is always pulling against the other, you can't get far. That pretty much says it all. Let's just all pray for Sterling as he wrestles with this decision. God will lead.

I love boiled peanuts! On two occasions, my son in Florida has put his two Seadoos on the muddy Ocklawaha River, and we've traveled north (downstream) until the Silver River converges with the Ocklawaha. Then a hard left onto the Silver, and a slow ride upstream on that incredibly clear and beautiful stream. A slow ride because much of it goes through a nature preserve and is a no-wake zone. That means you basically run on idle speed, which is fine because it's quieter, peaceful, and you can see so much. Gators snoozing on the banks, and in some areas, Rhesus monkeys playing in the trees. Two stories about their origin - one says a ship captain released them, another says they're left over from the old "Tarzan" movies that were filmed there. Who knows? Anyway, they're there, and it's really interesting to see them. The ride ends at Silver Springs Park, where the water bubbles up from a seemingly bottomless spring and feeds the river. We rode the Seadoos right over the top of the spring and looked down, and all you can see is a blue/black hole beneath you. Kinda spooky, but beautiful. Then we rode back downstream, back to the Ocklawaha, and upstream to where we left the trailer. And then - here it comes - when back on the road, he bought us a huge bag of boiled peanuts, and that's where I learned to like them!

I found them a bit salty for my taste, though, and after reading Spot's recipe, I can see why. I think I'd like mine with just a tad less salt. Boiled peanuts are delish, though. Messy, but so good. I wish I had some right now!

Well, Starr and I are off to bed. She's lying here by my feet, flat on her back, four little paws in the air, head thrown back, and making tiny snores. Such a life she leads! Be blessed, all. --Romeena

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66848:
Hello porch family.....Been a couple days since I've been able to check in. Just been busy.

Possum....congrats to your daughter on her LPN. That's great.

Spot....good to see ya you back safe and sound. Glad you and Miss Sherry had a great time. I head back out Tuesday. I'll be in Texas at Ro's church this coming Thursday night.
I'll have a bowl of those boiled peanuts. Man I can eat my weight in them.

Sterling....already some real good advice given. To me it all boils down to this: If a husband lives a solid Christian, God fearing life, he will treat his wife in a way that she will be honored to "submit" to her husband. And also it depends on how solid her Christian walk is with the Lord.

Well I'm gonna head to bed. You all have a good nights sleep.
Prayers for all the porch family. Jesus loves us!

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66849:
Hey there Ro and Sterling....you both hopped in on me as I was posting.

Ro....I got laughing when I read about Starr laying on her back under your feet because Jake is here tonight and as I read your post I looked down and he is laying under my feet on his back all sprawled out with his head hanging back.

Night to you both

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66850: Well, hey there, Sterling. Didn't see you until I got up to leave.

Sounds to me like you've got your ears on, listening for God's voice. You do raise some interesting points, especially about things changing. Personally, I don't think God changes, I just think we change our interpretations of what He said. Part of that is unavoidable, as a language changes. I'm no Bible scholar, certainly know nothing about the original languages, but I can't help but wonder. Since that word "submission" seems to cause so much trouble, I wonder if perhaps the original word had a different shade of meaning. Could it have actually meant "to be in harmony with", or something like that?

I will never believe that God meant women to be subservient, or to "knuckle under", so to speak, to the will of some overbearing control freak. Throughout His ministry, Jesus often took the trouble to elevate the status of women, and He always treated them with respect. Proverbs 31:10-31 describes a righteous woman and speaks of her activities in the marketplace, buying and selling. Verse 16 says: She considers a field and buys it; From her earnings she plants a vineyard. I can't believe the God who inspired that passage in the Old Testament, and Christ whose dying thoughts were of His mother and her care, would consider women to be anything less than of equal value to men. No, I think God said what He meant, and we have changed it, either through the evolution of the language or the watering-down of His word to better suit our convenience.

That's my two cents' worth. Be blessed, all. --Romeena

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66851: Well, folks keep popping up! Hey, REV. I'm surely looking forward to next Thursday night. Look for an email from me.

Sounds like Jake is as rotten as Starr. Aren't they fun? --Romeena

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66852: Hello to my porch friends; I hope you all have had a blessed day.
Sterling, like everyone else, I will be praying for you and your wife that God will lead you to a good, Christian school for Kai. There is nothing more that I can add, as everyone has offered excellent advice. And Ro is right; if a husband is a good, God-fearing Christian, his wife will not have a problem with an attitude of submission because she will trust his judgement and family leadership abilities. There is a saying that I read a long time ago(not Bible-based)that says "We are each of us angels with one wing, and we can only fly embracing each other". If a husband and wife lives for Jesus and prays together for guidance, God will help them through whatever problems they face. You are a very good father; Kai is blessed to have dedicated parents.
Rev, it was good seeing you on the porch tonight. Tom, I hope you are doing okay.Prayers and Blessings to all of my porch family.

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66853:
Hi Everyone, I decided to use the hotel internet
and I see that things are lively. It is about 10:30 pm here in cool northern AZ. Only to be 53 here tomorrow! Boo, I know you were kinda jivvin' on the remshaw party, but you all know from past years my take on thet "holiday".
Vacation has been wonderful, no IHOP up here!! haha
See ya all next week.
Prayers for all, for the county, our troops etc,
God bless,

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66854: Rev at Ro"s Church!..how cool is that!..morning gang..hey CD,MDC,hazel,possum,Sterling and all...Maude where are you?...SPOT

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66855: Good morning, Spot..How are you?..I'm here at home cleaning out a closet. The weather is nice here; cool and clear. Later, I'll be outside doing some yard work. Hope all of you are enjoying a good day. Will be back shortly.

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66856: Hey MDC. You in that corner room at the Y? They still doing that breakfast special from 5 till 6 each morning? You sure know how to live it up when on vacation.:)

Proverbs, one of my favorite books of scripture offers much in the way of counsel in many things, including marriage and responsibilities therein.

Well no snow or rain here yet this morning so I think I'm gonna fire up the mower and give the lawn a nice trim, suck up some fallen leaves, and throw it all in the garden to decompose. Then if time allows, give the grass it's last shot of fertilizer for the season before the storm comes in.
Yep, thats the plan. Mow, compost, fertilize. Yawn, yep, that's what I think I'll do, a little mowing, composting, and fertilizing......


October 11, 2008 - Msg 66857: You people are such a delight to talk to! Oh, MDC...cyber parties don't count as sinful...hehe. Wow, that 53 degrees sounds wonderful. If I was there, I would be wearing shorts and opening all the windows...ps-glad you didn't have the IHOP experience.

Sterling, keep praying. There are no perfect christian schools out there (I know!) but remember, too, that if you are teaching her your values at home, that will go along way of protecting her. They will be exposed to things in the world that we don't agree with and we must keep the lines of communication open. I am curious, as KY Girl mentioned, if you would consider home schooling Kai? Its a wonderful option and easier than ever with the curriculum available and most towns have some sort of support group, etc. Homeschooled kids continue to score higher than the average school kids on college entrance exams, so it can work. The individual attention they receive goes a long way, and you would have the option to teach her the values that are important to you. It's not as hard as people imagine because you can accomplish more in a shorter period of time at home. For instance, when Sean was in private school, he was using the same curriculum as he uses now, and students were required to complete 4 pages in each subject, per day. This took up 7-8 hours, when lunch and breaks, pe was added. Now, he accomplishes 4 pages of work in 2 to 3 hours and the rest of the day can be used for other things like field trips, learning how to shop at the grocery store, whatever you want to teach them. They can learn practical things as they learn them from you on a day to day basis. My Sean is pretty self-sufficient at age 13. He can do laundry, most any household chore. He knows how to fix small appliances and how to change the oil in the car and he is quite the whiz at yard work. Nobody in the family can make a yard look as beautiful as he can when you give him a weedeater (could have something to do with his OCD, though) and he keeps my paren't lawn cared for. He is learning to play the guitar and boy, can that kid sing. The only thing that is missing right now that is important, is more physical exercise so we are working on scheduling that into his school day as a requirment. He has friends and is involved with all the youth activities at church, so he has social activities.

CD, that is an interesting quote. I think alot of Christians may not understand the need for relationship and "community" that the bible teaches. I think because our personal relationship with the Lord is an intimate one, we tend to think of being as Christian as and idependant thing. I don't believe it is, though. Do we need others or even church to be "saved"? No, but I believe it is how to live and grow in the Chrisatian life. We need God and each other...that's why this porch keeps drawing us back, don't you think? (and I speak of chrisians and non-christians). Community is a natural, healthy part of how God created us and our self-seeking ways are always making that a problem.

Better get moving..the coffee is gone...


October 11, 2008 - Msg 66858: Hey Boo CD,Asa.....guess everyone is enjoying the Saturday......Maude Lets hit Burger King for Lunch on CD...Asa they DO make ya wear shoes,if ya show up with out them we will just bring your lunch outside to the picnic table...K?....SPOT

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66859: You are right, Boo. Since I found the porch, I have had to rethink my ideas about relating to other people. I was getting to the point of being a bit of a loner; I felt that most people were unGodly, I suppose that's one way of describing it. But since I've had the opportunity to see the different opinions and ideas expressed here on the porch, God has shown me that Christians come in different packages, but are usually are the same on the inside. This has helped me to open up and relate better to people. As long as we love and pray for one another, that is what's important. Well, I'll get off the soapbox for now. Prayers and blessings to all my porch friends.
CD P.S. Again, Boo, I admire and respect you for homeschooling.

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66860: Spot, Burger King sounds real good; haven't eaten there in quite a while. I'll pay;If Asa shows up without shoes, can I take mine off, too?

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66861: Wow, you put a big smile on my face with your post, CD! I am so happy the Lord has brought you here and you know that love is what matters, not differences. God bless you!

I am pretty tired already and I haven't even done any laundry! Haha...did the shopping, though, and some other errands. It is cloudy today and not as hot, but very humid so it feels warm. I can't wait for a real cool front and some colder days. I was in Me-They's favorite store today, MalMart (kidding, M-T), and the Christmas stuff is popping up everywhere and when I went to Lowe's...WOW...lighted trees everywhere, and those gigantic blow-up things blasting Christmas carols...man, too much too soon.

Guess I will kick back and chill out for a bit..maybe a coffee break. Anyone care to join me? I bought some of that fancy creamer that is supposed to taste like Tiramisu (you Olive Garden people will know what i am talking about). It's my mom-in-law's favorite dessert so I thought she might enjoy it. By the way, mom-in-law has been a blessing. She has been more than willing to help with the kids. She is a tad messy, but that is just differences in lifestlye. I am probably too phobic about clutter.

SPOT, I guess you read that we chose the wood floors for the house, but are still wrangling with the tile for the bathrooms. I want a natural stone look for bathrooms, in porcelain tile and yesterday I found what I want, I think but need to find the right price. I wanted to use some smooth riverstones in a border in the shower and front of the tub and I found the perfect thing. I am thinking of laying some on the floor of the master shower because when the warm water hits them, they hold the heat and when you rub your feet on them, it's like getting foot massage. Sounds good at the end of a tough day, huh? We also nailed down the color for the roof shingles (pun intended) and the house will be white. The shingles will be a dark charcoal. It will defintely have the old farmhouse look we are trying to acheive. I still have alot to decide on, though, like wall ovens, cooktop, kitchen sink. We have to order the farmhouse sink from somewhere. I also have to decide on the jacuzzi tub. Too many decisions!

Well, I am going now...talk to you later,


October 11, 2008 - Msg 66862: ..just turn that "M" upside down and it'll say Walmart...hehe


October 11, 2008 - Msg 66863: Well if CD is coming I better put my shoes on, unless she's got brothers. :)


October 11, 2008 - Msg 66864: We had our first snow storm here yesterday. It's gone today though, but still windy and very cold.
Asa, for the love of Mike do it. Mow, compost, fertilize. Just do it!
- Hazel

October 11, 2008 - Msg 66865: Hazel, if you don't mind my asking, where do you live? You've gotten some early snow, haven't you?
I'd be thrilled with some autumn weather right now; it's 75 degrees here and slightly humid.